#50's new engine 91% installed!

[fireguywtc]

I have doubts too Robroy, but it's almost impossible to tell without seeing in person. If it makes you feel any better, your pain will help me with my oil pan selection in the future.

[robroy]

I have doubts too Robroy, but it's almost impossible to tell without seeing in person.

Yeah! Thankfully I'll be there in person tomorrow morning to check it out. I have a fantasy about having #50 at home one day, and just walking out in the yard whenever I want to check things out. It's a bummer keeping the project fifty miles away.

If it makes you feel any better, your pain will help me with my oil pan selection in the future.

You know, that actually does make me feel a little better! Thanks for mentioning it!

I like the idea of this special "off road" oil pan, and I like the large eight quart capacity. Hopefully it will work out!

Thanks Bill!
Robroy

[robroy]

Well, the oil pan hits the steering after all! I'm glad I discovered this now instead of after the truck was put all together. I started a tech thread on this issue here: http://www.fordification.com/forum/view ... &sk=t&sd=a.

I wanted a separate thread to track that issue since it will have greater visibility in the engine area than it will being tucked away in this project updates thread.

Thanks for all the superb help!
Robroy

[rjewkes]

wonder what happens if miloddon has a 5-6 qt capacity pan that won't hit the steering? heck it might even make the trans clearance with the cab problem go away too. if the big idea of the rear sump is ease/cleanliness of oil changes and higher cappacity, wat about an 5-8 qt front sump with a drain plug in front of the cross member?

what about a stock oil pan with a new drain valve/plug in front of the crossmember? like the kits for putting a drain hole/plug in the transmission pan?

[Ranchero50]

Well, at this point I feel it would be best to pull the trany and bellhousing back off and drop the motor down onto the mounts to see if the pan hits the steering. You may or may not be ok with the new mounts. Is good old Steve going to buy you the correct pan for your application if this one doesn't fit? Not returnable once installed (been there). The oil filter works the same no matter how it's mounted, they all have a spring loaded flap so once the filter clogs it'll still flow oil and they also have a check valve to keep the oil from draining back into the oil pan. If you lifters tap on startup usually the checkvalve isn't working in the filter. Fram was notorious for this becasue they used a cardboard flap, Ford filers use a rubber flap that works much better.

Jamie

[flyboy2610]

It seems that the clearance between the bottom of the filter and the main crossmember under the oil pan is pretty tight on 4x2's.
Robroy

I had the same problem on my '68 F100, with a car 390. The filter would impact the cross member. Came out of the house one morning and had a BIG OLE puddle of oil under the truck!
Went to my favorite auto parts tore and the old guy behind the counter said "You need a 3/4 quart Dodge filter. Same threads, but a little shorter."
Ran one of those filters until I parked the truck for good. (It's my bump trailer, now!)
Some filters that will fit are: Purolator L-20081, AC PF20, Wix 51068, Fram PH43, NAPA 1068, Chrysler 3549957, and Hastings LF196.

[robroy]

RJewkes, Jamie, and Flyboy2610, thanks for replying!

wonder what happens if miloddon has a 5-6 qt capacity pan that won't hit the steering?

It seems that they do! That's covered in this thread: http://www.fordification.com/forum/view ... 4&start=15

heck it might even make the trans clearance with the cab problem go away too.

Indeed it could help, but by the sound of it, it seems like lots of folks with stock pans have the same transmission clearance issue.

if the big idea of the rear sump is ease/cleanliness of oil changes and higher cappacity, wat about an 5-8 qt front sump with a drain plug in front of the cross member?

That's probably the way I'll wind up going.

what about a stock oil pan with a new drain valve/plug in front of the crossmember? like the kits for putting a drain hole/plug in the transmission pan?

Yeah I think that's a smart plan! I'll make sure to arrange for a drain hole that's not right over the crossmember, whichever way I go.

Well, at this point I feel it would be best to pull the trany and bellhousing back off and drop the motor down onto the mounts to see if the pan hits the steering. You may or may not be ok with the new mounts.

Hey Jamie! You know, the pan that's on there today isn't even supposed to fit; Milodon says on their site that it's only for 4x4's and vans. So I don't think there's any mystery there. Regarding whether or not I'm OK with the new mounts, that remains to be seen; I'll start another thread with a specific question on that topic.

Is good old Steve going to buy you the correct pan for your application if this one doesn't fit?

Yes he is! Steve said that I should e-mail him with whatever pan/pickup/tray I want and he'll buy it and have it all shipped right to me. Then I can return the existing pan to him once I've received the new parts. Pretty nice huh?

Not returnable once installed (been there).

Yeah I'm sure that's how it would be if I'd bought the pan myself in the first place.

The oil filter works the same no matter how it's mounted, they all have a spring loaded flap so once the filter clogs it'll still flow oil and they also have a check valve to keep the oil from draining back into the oil pan. If you lifters tap on startup usually the checkvalve isn't working in the filter. Fram was notorious for this becasue they used a cardboard flap, Ford filers use a rubber flap that works much better.

Very interesting; thanks for that info!

It seems that the clearance between the bottom of the filter and the main crossmember under the oil pan is pretty tight on 4x2's.
Robroy

I had the same problem on my '68 F100, with a car 390. The filter would impact the cross member. Came out of the house one morning and had a BIG OLE puddle of oil under the truck!
Went to my favorite auto parts tore and the old guy behind the counter said "You need a 3/4 quart Dodge filter. Same threads, but a little shorter."
Ran one of those filters until I parked the truck for good. (It's my bump trailer, now!)
Some filters that will fit are: Purolator L-20081, AC PF20, Wix 51068, Fram PH43, NAPA 1068, Chrysler 3549957, and Hastings LF196.

Flyboy2610, thank you for all those part numbers! I'll probably go the same way you went on this and get one of these other filters. Probably the Wix 51068. That's really nice of you to provide all the part numbers!

Here's how close the existing filter comes to the frame. It's too close to easily fit a filter wrench around.



I removed it to make room for putting the motor mounts together. Here it is:





And here's how that area looked after removing it:



The engine install project as it looked today:




Thanks for all the excellent advice!
Robroy

[marvin2]

Looking good. Keep up the good work!

[robroy]

Thanks Marvin2!

[robroy]

FlyBoy2610, thanks again for the stubby oil filter part numbers. The WIX 51068 worked out perfectly!




Here it is next to the filter installed by Proformance Unlimited, which is the stock size.





The truck with the factory filter:



The truck with the WIX 51068:



The old filter's clearance:



The WIX 51068 clearance:



It is now perfect! An oil filter wrench slips over the end easily. Thanks very much FlyBoy2610!

Robroy

[robroy]

A lot has happened over the past months with many new threads! But I thought I'd update this one with a current photo of the engine. It won't be too long now before it's fired up!


http://www.robroygregg.com/Number50/IMG_3936s.JPG

Robroy

[JeffSk63]

very nice looking motor!!!!

[Fordnatic]

That's BEAUTIFUL!!!

[robroy]

Hey JeffSk63 and Fordnatic, thanks for replying!

Yes it's nice looking now--but wait and see how it will look after 30,000 miles, or 50,000 miles. I probably won't be spending too much time under the hood keeping it immaculate, if that were even possible to do.

Thanks again!
Robroy

[Calvin Gunter]

Yeah robroy I hear what your saying about not keeping it immaculate after it's running but I don't believe you.HaHa,after all that work you've done you'll be so proud you'll be wiping it down all the time.Mine is not nearly that nice and I still wipe it down under the hood quite often.Looks good,keep up the good work,Calvin