Made in China

[Mancar1]

Also, there is a sock company in Indiana, 4 Bare feet, or I think thats the name. Have a bunch of socks from them. They are of course made in the USA. It is hard sometimes to find made in the USA products. At least I know where my wood work projects are made.

[BobbyFord]

Also, there is a sock company in Indiana, 4 Bare feet, or I think thats the name. Have a bunch of socks from them. They are of course made in the USA. It is hard sometimes to find made in the USA products. At least I know where my wood work projects are made.

I buy Wigwam socks, made in Wisconsin. I also buy Merrell shoes and Chippewa boots. My feet are my life; I walk 7-10 miles a day for work. If you got $10 shoes, you got $10 feet. My socks are $8 a pair, my work shoes are $168 with insoles, I buy 5 pair of shoes a year for work. I'll never buy non-U.S. made work shoes.

[flyboy71]

If you got $10 shoes, you got $10 feet.

Ive seen a lot of $10 feet at Walmart. Well then again Ive seen a lot of $10 people there too.

Oh what the heck ...... http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

[robroy]

Good day,

China's a special interest of mine, and I've thought about the points being made in this thread often.

To establish the depth of my interest (I don't mean to boast): Mandarin Chinese is my second language. I began studying with a native Chinese speaker at Cabrillo College in Aptos, California in 1996, and have continued on my own ever since. I chose to learn the traditional (pre-1950's) writing system instead of the modern simplified system, and I speak with a Beijing accent. My speech comprehension, pronunciation, grammar and reading are good, and my writing's excellent (I've been surprised to hear that it's much better than most Chinese people's).

Working in the computer industry has also put me in close proximity to many Chinese people and Chinese-Americans, and I've had lots of enjoyable conversations with them about China's history, culture, economy and language.

In recent weeks I've been listening to recorded class lectures by Kenneth J. Hammond, Ph.D., called From Yao to Mao: 5000 Years of Chinese History. Reviewing the ABCs of Chinese history has given me some new thoughts on what may be going on today with imported Chinese stuff.

1. [Not related to the recording...] Every Chinese person with whom I've spoken has agreed that most imported Chinese products are--with some notable exceptions--of grossly substandard quality. This isn't just an American perspective.
2. I've heard from Dr. Hammond that for most of China's long history, China was the greatest world power (with the exception of major civil war periods every ~30-to-300 years). In fact, Marco Polo's notes from his first trip to China described a land so rich, vast, powerful and sophisticated that his fellow Venetians called his notes, "The Million," meaning that his notes were nothing more than a million lies--yet other historical accounts support his notes.
3. China's dominant world position was maintained until the early nineteenth century, and its regression was caused by a combination of mass opium addiction (introduced to China when British trading began) and the rapid advances made to military technology in the West. So China's world position has been unusually depressed for the last two centuries.
   
   My own thoughts on this: given how long China has been around, this depression's duration has been relatively brief, yet it's the only China that most Americans know. Thus, the Chinese import phenomenon could be viewed not as a new trend, but as a gradual return to a condition that once was.
4. Dr. Hammond seems to believe that China's in the process of recovering its position as a dominant (if not the dominant) world power, just as it was for thousands of years prior to the nineteenth century.

I hope y'all are having a fantastic week!!!
Robroy

[Ranchero50]

its all politics.if you have enough money the government wont do anything.walmart-oil companies you all now where im coming from.how tomes have changed.and not for the better.

Oil companies fall into a similar category. We support what we complain about by continuing to buy more oil and gasoline. If we were serious about our complaints, we would stop driving our gas guzzling cars and trucks and start pedaling bicycles. We (well I don't) talk as if the oil companies should be shut down, without realizing the impact that would have on our society.

Take a look around at your own life and the items in it. How many things do you have that are petroleum based? Polyester; Lexan; Fiberglass resin; Nylon stockings, The frames of your glasses; Credit and debit cards; Styrofoam take-out containers; Plastic flatware; Grocery bags; Trash bags; My computer mouse and keyboard; Half of a new car;

Where does it stop? How many of those items can you live without? Or would convenience be compromised?

I confess. My life would come to a screeching halt if petroleum disappeared overnight.

I will say that with the economic fall that this truely isn't the case. The fuel prices didn't follow consumption, the companies just kept the tankers off the coast until the surplus was used up. This is the effect of petroleum being a marketable product. You are not paying more for the demand of the product, but the suspected (assumed) demand of the product.

Jamie

[fordman]

Good day,

China's a special interest of mine, and I've thought about the points being made in this thread often.

To establish the depth of my interest (I don't mean to boast): Mandarin Chinese is my second language. I began studying with a native Chinese speaker at Cabrillo College in Aptos, California in 1996, and have continued on my own ever since. I chose to learn the traditional (pre-1950's) writing system instead of the modern simplified system, and I speak with a Beijing accent. My speech comprehension, pronunciation, grammar and reading are good, and my writing's excellent (I've been surprised to hear that it's much better than most Chinese people's).

Working in the computer industry has also put me in close proximity to many Chinese people and Chinese-Americans, and I've had lots of enjoyable conversations with them about China's history, culture, economy and language.

In recent weeks I've been listening to recorded class lectures by Kenneth J. Hammond, Ph.D., called From Yao to Mao: 5000 Years of Chinese History. Reviewing the ABCs of Chinese history has given me some new thoughts on what may be going on today with imported Chinese stuff.

1. [Not related to the recording...] Every Chinese person with whom I've spoken has agreed that most imported Chinese products are--with some notable exceptions--of grossly substandard quality. This isn't just an American perspective.
2. I've heard from Dr. Hammond that for most of China's long history, China was the greatest world power (with the exception of major civil war periods every ~30-to-300 years). In fact, Marco Polo's notes from his first trip to China described a land so rich, vast, powerful and sophisticated that his fellow Venetians called his notes, "The Million," meaning that his notes were nothing more than a million lies--yet other historical accounts support his notes.
3. China's dominant world position was maintained until the early nineteenth century, and its regression was caused by a combination of mass opium addiction (introduced to China when British trading began) and the rapid advances made to military technology in the West. So China's world position has been unusually depressed for the last two centuries.
   
   My own thoughts on this: given how long China has been around, this depression's duration has been relatively brief, yet it's the only China that most Americans know. Thus, the Chinese import phenomenon could be viewed not as a new trend, but as a gradual return to a condition that once was.
4. Dr. Hammond seems to believe that China's in the process of recovering its position as a dominant (if not the dominant) world power, just as it was for thousands of years prior to the nineteenth century.

I hope y'all are having a fantastic week!!!
Robroy

very very good. i was thinking on this today and i came to the realization that it wasnt the chinese's fault for these products being this away. it is the people in the usa that have the parts desigend and the materials they say to use to make the parts they want to import and sell in the usa. i have seen good chinese stuff and bad chinese stuff. and last night was the worst chinese made stuff i have ever seen in my life.

[flyboy71]

Robroy,

Im in the industry that supplies the parts that go in what you make so Im with you on being in contact with the people. Im on conference calls during the week usually at 9pm with my counterparts from China and they are honestly no different than you or I. They are more than eager to produce a high quality product but often lack the resources to do so at the absurdly low cost we demand of them. Someday Ill end up over there on a work trip so Im sure so Ill get to see things first hand. I missed out on a recent trip to X'ian city and would have liked to have seen the terra cotta warriors.

[71highboy]

Good day,

China's a special interest of mine, and I've thought about the points being made in this thread often.

To establish the depth of my interest (I don't mean to boast): Mandarin Chinese is my second language. I began studying with a native Chinese speaker at Cabrillo College in Aptos, California in 1996, and have continued on my own ever since. I chose to learn the traditional (pre-1950's) writing system instead of the modern simplified system, and I speak with a Beijing accent. My speech comprehension, pronunciation, grammar and reading are good, and my writing's excellent (I've been surprised to hear that it's much better than most Chinese people's).

Working in the computer industry has also put me in close proximity to many Chinese people and Chinese-Americans, and I've had lots of enjoyable conversations with them about China's history, culture, economy and language.
but if it keeps up we will all be speaking chinese.
In recent weeks I've been listening to recorded class lectures by Kenneth J. Hammond, Ph.D., called From Yao to Mao: 5000 Years of Chinese History. Reviewing the ABCs of Chinese history has given me some new thoughts on what may be going on today with imported Chinese stuff.

1. [Not related to the recording...] Every Chinese person with whom I've spoken has agreed that most imported Chinese products are--with some notable exceptions--of grossly substandard quality. This isn't just an American perspective.
2. I've heard from Dr. Hammond that for most of China's long history, China was the greatest world power (with the exception of major civil war periods every ~30-to-300 years). In fact, Marco Polo's notes from his first trip to China described a land so rich, vast, powerful and sophisticated that his fellow Venetians called his notes, "The Million," meaning that his notes were nothing more than a million lies--yet other historical accounts support his notes.
3. China's dominant world position was maintained until the early nineteenth century, and its regression was caused by a combination of mass opium addiction (introduced to China when British trading began) and the rapid advances made to military technology in the West. So China's world position has been unusually depressed for the last two centuries.
   
   My own thoughts on this: given how long China has been around, this depression's duration has been relatively brief, yet it's the only China that most Americans know. Thus, the Chinese import phenomenon could be viewed not as a new trend, but as a gradual return to a condition that once was.
4. Dr. Hammond seems to believe that China's in the process of recovering its position as a dominant (if not the dominant) world power, just as it was for thousands of years prior to the nineteenth century.

I hope y'all are having a fantastic week!!!
Robroy

[angliagt]

I will always look for "Made in USA" before I make a purchase.There are still American companies
out there - if you're willing to take the time/compare.
A couple of websites to think about....

- Doug

http://stillmadeinusa.com


http://www.usstuff.com

[flyboy2610]

It shall not always be this way. Justice for the common man is coming, then those who send our jobs overseas for the sake of a few dollars profit will be judged:
Jas 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
Jas 5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
Jas 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Jas 5:4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.