Is Fordification going the way of FTE?

[Calfdemon]

Hey Steve, just to throw out my view of PM's... I guess people can do what they want with them. But the accepted policy is that they are PM's because they are "Private Messages", hence the acronym. I don't think they carry the same rules as email because email is a direct message without another option (for the most part). PM's are part of a system set up where there is also public forums available. If someone sends something in a PM in this type of system, it is because they chose not to post it in the public part of the system. So most people treat those as private because it was a choice between the options of where to post them (does that make sense?). Whereas email is its own system and for the most part is not sent as a substitute for a public post.

But again, I understand the motive for posting it because it was related to the censorship issue and you were directed to take further discussions to PM. Then once you did, you were invited to discuss it publicly. So based on those circumstances, I see why you included it in the topic. However, normally I would think that PM's should remain private unless BOTH parties agree to make it public. In this case, it can be argued that Duck invited you to make it public, but that is for him to speak to.

[DuckRyder]

Sigh...

I think you need to step back and examine what I said to you. NOWHERE did I threaten to ban you for posting anything relating to the cross linking nor did I tell you you could not, in fact I did not edit the link out when a fellow member asked for that. I said anyone who got out of line was subject to bans or warnings - unless you are planning to get out of line - no one has threatened you. The last time someone went down this road it was a train-wreck so I have every reason to be concerned.

Again, another member suggested that you need not go to FTE and you responded by posting a big long dissertation about why you decided to do it and diminished his concern.

I am just trying to explain to you why people might feel like the poster that said you should not do it and why you might want to give those members some consideration. I have received no apology from FTE for the treatment that I received from them, nor has anyone else that I am aware of. But I do not really think you care much about trying to understand how those of us who were banned over there for simply logging in here or had other wrongs perpetrated on them by Ken and his Crew, if you did you would be doing less talking and more listening.

But you have read Keith's censorship article and decided that you know all there is to know about it, in fact you' have decided that I am acting directly in conflict of Keith's wishes? That is sort of odd, because he must have told you something that I sure do not recall him ever telling me and if he tells me that he has no problem with it I will never say another word about it... But the most recent conversation we had that had anything to do with FTE leads me to believe that he might agree with me.

As for not being against the rules, you may have noticed that there really are not many rules, it is left to the membership and moderators to self govern.

[DuckRyder]

I have a missing post from this thread.<snip>.

What post is missing? I may have accidentally moved it to the other thread, I was trying to move the relevant post here at the same time you were trying to copy it and that didn't work so well.

Oh, and the reason that I asked for it to go to PM is because its OFF TOPIC for the thread

[TNIceWolf]

Look guys......
Somewhere in Keiths postings for the use of this forum you will find that it states quite clearly that this forum is not a Democracy. In the end he pays for the ability for all of us to use it. Now I am quite sure that he chose his moderators in mind with the fact that they knew what he wanted. Heck.......... Robert has admonished me before. But once I went back and read the guidelines he was absolutely correct for doing so. Now I will say this about Robert and I cant say it about any other Moderator on any website I visit. When the tornado did the massive damage to Joplin last year and we had no idea about my wifes family......... He offered to go in when he was allowed and retrieve as much information as he could for me. Sorry Robert.........had to say it. Now if anyone of the main disgruntled here can show me another website where the members actually care that much about other members they have never met.............I will gladly kiss your left butt cheek till the right one gets jealous. Keith and the mods make the calls....... period.

[Calfdemon]

I cant speak for Steve, but no where in any post I have read has anyone said anything about the character of anyone involved in any of this. 99.999% of the users and mods on this site are THE BEST that there are on any site, and I will never dispute that as a member of multiple forums across a wide spectrum of subjects.

The only thing I have posted about is how this particular situation was handled and the how the subject matter was addressed. In those regards (from what I have read), I tend to agree with Steve on that particular point. You are correct that Keith and his mods have the final say-so on anything since he pays the bills and this is his world. But based on the way this forum has been run in the past, this particular incident seemed to be dealt with somewhat out of the norm regarding censorship issues, which led to this discussion. I think you are reading way too much into this if you think anyone here is "disgruntled".

I have the utmost respect of all of the mods on this forum for making this place what it is. Heck, I love Jesus Christ too. Doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes from time to time. (Lets see how long it takes for that last comment to rub someone the wrong way and spiral into another thread. )

[tmcalavy]

Is Fordification going the way of FTE? No...not that I can see or tell. I used FTE way before this forum existed and quit it when all you could find on there were the argumentative trolls...some of whom still hang out there. Never found any of that here and hope I never do...and, yes, I still go to FTE and read for interesting topics. I post in both places if I can help someone out or have a problem I can't sort out. As for policies, past grievances, conflicts, etc....all that baggage belongs to others, not me. A forum is not a democracy...hell, America isn't much of a democracy nowadays, it is, rather, a capitalistic republic. The person(s) who own/run the forum/company/etc. make the rules of conduct/use because they pay the bills to keep it running. I don't have a problem with that, and I hope both forums continue to prosper as long as the old Ford trucks are around for us to enjoy. If you have a prob in either place, bring it to the attention of the management...if it can't be resolved, you can always spend your time/money somewhere's else. Now, back to what I was really wondering today...can you put Windsor heads on a Cleveland block? Dammit...I've hijacked another thread.

[Phil105]

well, I for one am guilty of utilizing both sites and of posting links from one to the other on both sites - all in the effort of helping with an issue.
After reading all of the above - it appears this post has gone the way of an old saying

"If I agree with you, then we're both wrong".

If either site bans me for posting a link to the other site, so be it. My purpose for using either/both of the sites is to get information or offer information. I've had members on both sites go into, what I consider, childish rants about posting the "other site" link. I consider their comments just that - "childish".

Sorry if this offends anyone for not choosing sides.

[TNIceWolf]

Calfdemon

Did I actually address my post to you? You seem to be taking up a cause that is not your own. I addressed my message to a population. Not to a specific individual. Now if you want to make it personal.............. send me a private message. I can guarantee you that you will get a reply. And it wont get posted. But I am sick and tired of other members thinking that they can air out their dirty laundry just so they can look offended.

[DuckRyder]

Maybe it isn't clear from the way the cut and paste worked out but:

"elgemcdlf" isn't even the one who posted the link, that was "HIO Silver".

Then "elgemcdlf" responded to "basketcase0302".

[Ranchero50]

elgemcdlf, you're a member, don't try to be a moderator by inflaming the forum...

Enjoy the site, post links to revelent info on other sites, don't make PM's public. It just makes you look like an arse...

Jamie

[Calfdemon]

Calfdemon

Did I actually address my post to you? You seem to be taking up a cause that is not your own. I addressed my message to a population. Not to a specific individual. Now if you want to make it personal.............. send me a private message. I can guarantee you that you will get a reply. And it wont get posted. But I am sick and tired of other members thinking that they can air out their dirty laundry just so they can look offended.

Re-read my post and tell me where I took, or made anything personal. You posted an opinion about the topic in reply to the people who had previously posted, correct? At the early stages of this conversation, the only people that really said anything were the OP and myself. So I simply responded with my position in the matter. I took nothing personal, nor is anything I am posting personal to anyone else involved in this matter. I am only posting my opinion about topics in an open discussion. If you took offense to anything I said, then point it out to me and if I was wrong, I will apologize. You did NOT address me personally, but you made a blanket statement to "the population", as you put it. Me, being a part of that population, and one of the people that had already posted, responded in kind so you understood my viewpoint. If you were actually addressing an individual and trying to hide it behind a blanket statement, then by all means call that person out and then the rest won't need to reply.

I have nothing to send you in a PM because I have nothing to hide in this discussion. Nor am I looking to fight or argue, so again, if you took anything personal, sorry about that. But I replied to your blanket statement to "the population".

[TNIceWolf]

With respect...............Does it matter? This whole thread is about the mods ability to control things and one members inability to accept it. If that makes me wrong for thinking that way....heck................ban me
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[Swegner99]

Jeez, I think Duckryder is right about not even going down this road. I think things were taken out of context and conclusions jumped to, on both sides of the argument. The original thread was mine, I wasnt offended by someone linking to FTE. Im here to learn everything I can about my Ford truck. I am loyal to Fordification, but if from time to time I have to visit another site for some extra info then so be it. I think the whole thing needs to be put to bed. Give it a few days without bringing it up and it will be out of everyones mind. I rarely see arguments like this on Fordification and I kind of chalk it up to sibling rivalry, this is such a great group of people. Thats my and as always

[davbell22602]

This thread is nothing but BS and taking up valuable server space. I vote to make this thread completely disappear. This thread is not a good image for future new members and guests viewing the site.

[basketcase0302]

Robert/Jamie/Keith I'll try to be as civil as possible without opening the "little redneck in me" that you all know I am...And i am so sorry you took the brunt of what was blatantly aimed at me Robert!
yeah you got the nest stirred up man, instead of just telling the world how you felt about my condoning your actions linking the "darkside". You need to hang around long here enough-to get to really...know the folks here elgemcdlf. Instead of just slinging sh@t at folks like you're doing!
And yes, I'll continue to condone the actions of those who post links to that other place due to how strongly I feel for this site!
If you like the place so much please feel free to go back there with all the ads and bickering, some of us might not even miss you!
Hope you can dig yourself out here in due time.