Is Fordification going the way of FTE?

[elgemcdlf]

I have a missing post from this thread.<snip>.

What post is missing? I may have accidentally moved it to the other thread, I was trying to move the relevant post here at the same time you were trying to copy it and that didn't work so well.

Oh, and the reason that I asked for it to go to PM is because its OFF TOPIC for the thread

The reason I stated a missing post was because I originally assumed censored but after thought realized it could have been server error. I did not want to point fingers where it was not due.

[woods]

Ban Basketcase...you know, just to set an example and get these guys back under control.

[tmcalavy]

I'm with davbell...torch this thread...better off dead.

[elgemcdlf]

elgemcdlf, you're a member, don't try to be a moderator by inflaming the forum...

Enjoy the site, post links to revelent info on other sites, don't make PM's public. It just makes you look like an arse...

Jamie

With all due respect I do not believe I am attempting to play moderator in any way. It is simply a matter of disagreement between myself and a moderator. Calfdemon made a very valid point concerning PM's. My initial thought was the PM was done to bury the subject matter. I do not believe I am attempting to inflame anyone. After all it was a moderator who made the offer to bring it to open forum. I really believe it has moved into an area far beyond what it should be. As DuckRyder stated in the past it has turned into a what this appears to be turning into now. I understand & respect his position. One can understand, respect & disagree with another's position on any given subject.

It upsets me that there are now posts in this thread where people believe personal attacks are being made. I have not seen any yet at the same time have "felt" an implied. As to removing the thread as posted by yet another I would have to disagree. That would in itself be the very thing this thread was started to point out that should not exist based on what I have read of Keith's post. Just for the record my preference overall is Fordification but my mother taught me long ago if anyone attempts to force a choice one way or another choose against that person. It will be in your best interest.

[elgemcdlf]

Ban Basketcase...you know, just to set an example and get these guys back under control.

I do hope you are being sarcastic. While I totally disagree with his position on this subject he should be allowed his opinion just as everyone else based on my interpretation of what Keith has laid out as how the site should be.

[woods]

It was sarcasm, yes.

[elgemcdlf]

Robert/Jamie/Keith I'll try to be as civil as possible without opening the "little redneck in me" that you all know I am...And i am so sorry you took the brunt of what was blatantly aimed at me Robert!
yeah you got the nest stirred up man, instead of just telling the world how you felt about my condoning your actions linking the "darkside". You need to hang around long here enough-to get to really...know the folks here elgemcdlf. Instead of just slinging sh@t at folks like you're doing!
And yes, I'll continue to condone the actions of those who post links to that other place due to how strongly I feel for this site!
If you like the place so much please feel free to go back there with all the ads and bickering, some of us might not even miss you!
Hope you can dig yourself out here in due time.

Is not your position the very attitude you dislike about FTE? I have slung nothing. In fact if you take the time to read I present more questions than outright statements. Perhaps your answers to those questions you dislike. Instead of addressing the actual matter at hand the choice is to shoot the person presenting the questions. I do not believe I ever stated I like anything any better than anywhere else. Each site has it's values. If you think for 1 minute I do not link from FTE to Fordification in effort to help others there I ask you do a search for my posts on the FTE site. Dig myself out? DuckRyder & I have drawn our swords & made our duel public. I believe neither of us has been disrespectful of the other. We simply disagree. I harbor no ill feelings. Meerly wished to point out the potential of the very same attitude that some here so despise is starting to show it's ugly head. After all just what is it that you so dislike about FTE?

[FoPAR]

elgemcdlf, you and I spend a lot of time on other sites and I don't post to much when it comes to threads other than my own. But I have seen many of yours and I do have to agree that you spend a lot of time trying to help others and posting links to any site that might help, but I also have seen that you have a way of coming across as very in your face about a topic when I don't think that’s how you meant it. My first exchange with you was very much that way and as soon as you realized I knew what I was doing you seemed to back off that way of typing on my post. " Reference "

Report this postReply with quoteRe: Chassis Swap (1972 onto a 2002 Chassis)
by elgemcdlf on Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:18 am

I don't want to be the one who let's the air out of your project but did you miss the insurance crash tests on that truck? 1997 - 2005 of that body style (extended cab) on a 45mph glancing collision to the left front always killed the driver. Other than that interesting swap choice. I know the cab landed on the front mounts are the fenders in the correct spot with the cab in that location?

Also sometimes it's just best to let something’s go and not jump on a soap box every time you think someone is bashing or calling you out. I read many many post on a lot of sites and see how people interact with each other, and you seem to have a way of just not being able to filter out when it's time to let it go, or just not worth it or, someone is just joking. The lack of icons( , , , , , , , , , , ect) in your post make it hard to tell if your upset or just having fun. My only reason for posting this is not to attack you or to make you feel bad, but to do as you have tried to do for many others and that is help you see that the way people type something can come across way different then the way they wanted or intended. When I read the post about the "darkside" I took it as a joke but still knew it had history and the "why" FTE is the "Darkside" Not every post that disagrees with you is a personal attack, but the way I have seen you fire back at those people I can tell that's the way you took it. My advice to you is to take a step back and read it it again as someone just taking a little jab for fun, not to be mean or belittle you. Then compose your response with that in mind and I think the responses you get will be much different than the ones you seem to be continuing to get.

[ezernut9mm]

this thread is worthless. and to answer the original question; NO.

[Bullitt390]

Not to stir anything up, but I post rather regulary in the FTE 73-79 (Bullitt390) and there are references every single day to links of info found at Fordification.com and Fordification.Net and nothing is ever done to remove those links. And that goes for links to other sources of info as well.

It has been several years since FTE has banned such use of links and refernces to LMC and other non-sponsors etc. The "evil" Ken was supplanted a long time ago when it comes to his heavy handed approaches to such matters when FTE was bought out. So keep that in mind.

Josh

[Mancar1]

It was sarcasm, yes.

Yes and my old fart sense of humor found it funny.
Holy Crap, can't we all just agree to disagree?

[elgemcdlf]

elgemcdlf, you and I spend a lot of time on other sites and I don't post to much when it comes to threads other than my own. But I have seen many of yours and I do have to agree that you spend a lot of time trying to help others and posting links to any site that might help, but I also have seen that you have a way of coming across as very in your face about a topic when I don't think that’s how you meant it. My first exchange with you was very much that way and as soon as you realized I knew what I was doing you seemed to back off that way of typing on my post. " Reference "

Report this postReply with quoteRe: Chassis Swap (1972 onto a 2002 Chassis)
by elgemcdlf on Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:18 am

I don't want to be the one who let's the air out of your project but did you miss the insurance crash tests on that truck? 1997 - 2005 of that body style (extended cab) on a 45mph glancing collision to the left front always killed the driver. Other than that interesting swap choice. I know the cab landed on the front mounts are the fenders in the correct spot with the cab in that location?

Also sometimes it's just best to let something’s go and not jump on a soap box every time you think someone is bashing or calling you out. I read many many post on a lot of sites and see how people interact with each other, and you seem to have a way of just not being able to filter out when it's time to let it go, or just not worth it or, someone is just joking. The lack of icons( , , , , , , , , , , ect) in your post make it hard to tell if your upset or just having fun. My only reason for posting this is not to attack you or to make you feel bad, but to do as you have tried to do for many others and that is help you see that the way people type something can come across way different then the way they wanted or intended. When I read the post about the "darkside" I took it as a joke but still knew it had history and the "why" FTE is the "Darkside" Not every post that disagrees with you is a personal attack, but the way I have seen you fire back at those people I can tell that's the way you took it. My advice to you is to take a step back and read it it again as someone just taking a little jab for fun, not to be mean or belittle you. Then compose your response with that in mind and I think the responses you get will be much different than the ones you seem to be continuing to get.

I do not take it as a personal attack. I view it more as people not being able to get help from others that may have valuable information just because of in this case forum. I believe everyone has value & the key to survival/success is learning to share with others so they can learn with the hopes they in turn will do the same remembering the day someone they didn't even know had the answer they needed and shared it. I guess maybe taking that into account it could/would be a personal attack. DO IT MY WAY TO SUCCEED! I somewhat liken it to refusing to help someone because of color/location/most anything else. While it is one's choice it is not the site owner asking for the help which is where the heart of the issue lies and most likely the person asking has no idea about the "war". With this they have not chosen any "side" they just want to have a "cool" truck. We each have our definition of "cool".

I personally believe that if we do not help others the sport will die. The government works daily on killing it little by little. I have read posts from folks in other countries with restrictions I could never imagine having. I love the work of people like George Barris, Daryl Starbird, Boyd Coddington & the like. I would hate to see our ability to do the things these along with others have done slip away from us over something like what forum you belong to. While I realize everyone has their own views I have also realized if anyone states a contrasting position they are ostracized. A couple perfect examples are abortion and gays. We can stir in affirmative action as well. If you are not publically for such things you become the villian. Anti women's rights, homophobic, racist when the reality is the people throwing around such "titles" really have no valid reason for their position. Smokers/nonsmokers, we now are attacking people we call overweight because it for their own good. As long as we continue to allow ourselves to be separated on any subject we will in the end be the overall losers. I see these things as the beginning of "blonde hair/blue eyes". If allowed to continue one day it could easily be blonde hair against brown.
If you have blonde hair you are wrong and need to dye it brown or suffer the wrath! After all it is for your own good. You poor stupid $%#@$$ you just aren't smart enough to realize having blonde hair, smoking, not wearing your seatbelt, being overweight is wrong!

[DuckRyder]

<snip> DuckRyder & I have drawn our swords & made our duel public<snip>

Speak for yourself, I've drawn no "sword" and there is no "duel" as far as I'm concerned.

No one has censored you, your post have not been edited and no one actually told you you could not do anything. What has happened here is that you responded to a member that suggested that another member need not go to the darkside for information. You gave little regard or respect to that members positron or why he may feel that way. I was simply trying to explain it to you. So far you've showed little interest in trying to understand (you have gone so far as to say you "know all I need to know") the culture here and to me that shows enormous disrespect for the membership who actually experienced what you are so willing to forgive.

For the record, I did not invite you to post a private communication nor the specifics of the situation, I (apparently in error) thought that you might be interested in asking the membership how they felt about posting links to the darkside. You chose instead to post what amounts to a rant about me.

[Ranchero50]

OK, wall of text, did not read.

Plain ans simple, stop the BS or go play in another sandbox.

Private messages, are private. Post them in a forum in this manner and you will go away.

FTE, FTE's sole purpose in life is the commercial profit the owner of the site. It has nothing to do with quality information about Ford trucks. Only the members bring information and the quality is controlled by the clique's.

Fordification is a private web site the was built as a reference for '67-'72 F series pickups. This forum is online support for the restoration and maintenance of these trucks and as such any links to good information are welcome.

Crumudgeons, you know who you are, the highly opinionated old guys, are welcome but play nice and keep an open mind. This thread is a trainwreck and a poorly thought out one at that.

Locked,
Jamie