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Hey Guys,

I got a couple of questions about 2 pieces drivelines.
I am replacing the U-joints and carrier bearing in my '68 CS while the driveline is out...
Is there any differance between the driveline that came outta the '71 (390/C6) and the one in the '68 (390/Np435)?
They look the same to me.
I had the thought today while beating on the slip joint yoke for over two hours with a 3 1/2 lb sledge, that maybe I could use it instead.
It finally came off after beating it with all I wuz worth...
I wuz even catching air.
I had about the same problem with the U-joint. Finally got the yoke itself off the drive line.
The other big question...
Is there a trick to getting the carrier bearing of the shaft?
It is like welded on. The outside metal part came off, but the rest is still on the shaft.

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The shop I used to work at, the driveline guys always took the race from the carrier bearing off with a torch. Just blew through it, no heat-n-remove action.

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Thanks Matt

:cry: I don't have a torch :cry:

That's one of the items I want Santa ta bring me...
along with a hot brunette...
I've even talked about hangin' up a garter and stockings so he'd get the hint... :thup:

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Post by fordman »

those bearing are suppose to be pressed off. but some guys have been able to beat them off with hammers and beat them back on. i done mine with a shop press. as far as the dirvelines being the same they looked the same to me as far as size around. i dont know if they are the same length bt they sure looked like it from the two i saw. i saw them at different times so i didnt measure them.
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Kaptn, I also smoke them off ( torch).I'd suggest finding someone who is good with a gas axe ( torch) and have them cut it off.A word of caution here, if someone gets a bit crazy splitting the bearing race it can damage the spline stub and leave you with a new problem.

As far as installing the new one I use a hammer and a drift punch.With the shaft standing on a concrete floor set the bearing on the stub and keeping tapping around the inner race until it's seated. :)
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With all the beating you gave it I'd say you wuz screwed, go find a driveline shop.
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Hey Willowbilly...

The beating was just on the yoke slip joint...
instead of just sliding out, it was rusted in.. it finally came off.
Before I give in and go to a machine shop, I'm gonna check the driveline from the '71.
If I remember right, the carrier bearing was in really good shape.
If it is the same as the one from the '68 I'll probably just use it.
The '71 had a 390/C6 whereas the '68 has a 390 / Np435.
Hopefully they will interchange and I'll be able to save a few bucks.
That's usually not my luck

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Hey Capt' i don't think you will be able to change out the front shaft from an Np435 for a C-6 shaft. They are different lengths cause' the transmissions are different lengths.

Your back shaft will be the same length, but not the front one.

As far as the carrier bearing goes.
I break off as much of the bearing as i can. IE: the rubber, and the outer race. Then i put a cut-off wheel on my 4 inch grinder, and cut the inner race.
VERY carefully cut through the inner race. I go until i'm pretty uncomfortable about going any further. Then i split the inner race with a cold chisel, and slide it off the shaft.

I clean up the shaft with 250 grit sandpaper, then finish it with emery cloth.

Winter is my favorite time to change these.

Put the shaft outside, temps need to be near zero. Otherwise put it in your chest freezer overnight. Anyway you do it, get that sucker COLD!!!
I usually put the complete carrier bearing assembly under a heat lamp, not close enough to melt anything, just close enough to get everything (including the inner race) nice and WARM.
I then grab the shaft, block it upright somewhere, grab the bearing and slide it down onto the shaft. It may need some ambition to make it the last inch. I use a piece of water pipe (that has the same OD as the inner race on the bearing), like a slide hammer and drive it the rest of the way on.

I have done dozens of them like this. Not just bumpside drive shafts either. Anything that has a carrier bearing.

The biggest trick i have found is timing. Keep the shaft as cold as long as you can, and the bearing as warm as you can. When you put them together, keep moving, don't stop to think about it. Time is your enemy here. The longer it takes, the warmer the shaft gets, the colder the bearing gets, the closer in diameter they get.

Otherwise, take it to a shop and have them press it on.

Just my :2cents:

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Post by fordman »

dont forget to unscrew the cap on the rear driveshaft. that is what helps hold them together. that might be why you had to beat them apart.
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Thanks for the input from everyone...

Tomorrow I'm gonna go to my storage unit and dig out the '71 shaft.
I know it's in there some where buried under a bunch of stuff. Awhile back I had to pile everything up on one end of the unit to be able to put a Caravan in it for a while.
Now that the Caravan is gone, I've been pullling stuff out little bit little and getting things reorganized.

Hey Fordman...
That sucker was just rusted on so tight it wouldn't hardly move...
Nothing has really been done on it in about 10 years...
which also means no lubes...
It took me about half an hour on each of the u-bolts that hold the back of the driveline to the rearend...
The bolts were totally encased with an almost concrete like stuff that I had to scrape and chip off with a screw driver, a hammer and punch...

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Hey Guys...

Well, I got the carrier bearing off, pretty much the way Two-bit recommended..
However... I may have ruined the shaft in the process
The outer bell is no longer round... the inner one isn't either...
I think I messed up the lip that the back of the bearing rests on when installed.
I thought it was the rear outer race for the bearing so I ground a big flat spot in it...
I also nicked the shaft with the grinder a few times...
Hopefully, I'll be able to clean it up enough to use it.
I'll take a couple of pics of it tomorrow and get them posted...

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oh man they dont charge that much just to have them pressed on and off.
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I live in a small rural town and called everywhere tryin' to find a shop that could press it off for me...
Every shop I talked to said that they just cut them off with an angle grinder and a chisel...
Hopefully, I won't have to replace the driveline.
I can probably get the belled parts pretty close to true again with a small hammer and wood block...
I have gotten pretty handy that way...
I am sorta worried about the collar that the bearing itself butts up to...
I sorta flattened one side of it nearly all the way down to the the level of the shaft thinking it was the back part of the bearing race... but it wern't

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I had a reputable shop do mine this summer. THe hardest part was pulling the $350 out of my wallet to pay for 3 u joints, a new stub, the carrier bearing, and labor. But the truck does run as smooth as my newer car with the redone shaft, and bearings.
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I have done a couple of these... and have never had this much difficulty with any before.
It took me nearly an hour just to drop the driveline.
The u-bolts were covered with crude that was like concrete.
I had to use a screwdriver and a punch to get the crude off before I could loosen the nuts... then the U-bolts would not budge...
I had to punch them out.
After I got it out... I fought with the getting the yoke off for a couple of hours...
Then broke both of the clips that hold in the yoke u-joint, and busted off the grease fitting...
Now the problems with getting the carrier bearing off...
I have replaced them before, and it just took smacking it a few times with a block of wood and a BFH to bust the carrier bearing loose, then it just slid right off...

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