Welder cover gas or not.
Moderator: FORDification
- 19674x4
- Blue Oval Fanatic
- Posts: 903
- Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:31 am
- Location: Oakland Oregon/Sheridan Wyoming
The shielding gas is used to keep debris away from the area you are welding and helps with the penetration of your bead. On the models that use Flux-Core wire, the coating of flux around your wire acts as the shielding agent instead if co2 being shot out. Obviously the Use of C02 as your shielding agent is better overall, but if you are just doing light work, then using .35 flux-core will work fine. however that wire is more expensive than sheilded gas wire. I use flux core for the really light stuff, or if i have a job that requires a portable unit. otherwise i stick with a MIG that uses a shielded gas simpy because you get a better bead.
My Photo Album
2012 Cummins-the luxury Tow Pig
1967 F-250 highboy 352, np435(((((((sold))))))))) My first true love
1968 F100 SWB. 360, np-435, flatbed, currently acting as a hornest nest and bee hive.
1971 F-100 4x4 Step-side. 360, np-435, 70k origional miles- needs allot of love.
2012 Cummins-the luxury Tow Pig
1967 F-250 highboy 352, np435(((((((sold))))))))) My first true love
1968 F100 SWB. 360, np-435, flatbed, currently acting as a hornest nest and bee hive.
1971 F-100 4x4 Step-side. 360, np-435, 70k origional miles- needs allot of love.
-
- Preferred User
- Posts: 256
- Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:27 pm
- Location: Fayetteville N.C. (Ohio Born)
- Contact:
re: Welder cover gas or not.
Go Gas unless you find a great deal on a gasless. For the normal light work a flux-core will work. One advantage to a gasless set-up is you just need to keep an extra roll of wire ($20-$30) as opposed to keeping an extra bottle of gas or even worse running out in the middle of a job. My advice is to get a gas mig that has the capability (most do) to use the gasless wire as a back-up and keep a roll on your shelf just in case.
[quote="MOST OF ALL, pray about it. If God doesn't want you to go, he will make it clear.[/quote]
1967 F-100 Longbed (project truck) For sale $1200 http://www.fordification.com/galleries/ ... ?album=710
http://www.fordification.com/galleries/ ... ?album=726
1990 Blazer (offroad toy) 7 in. lift, 37 in goodyear MTR's
2000 Ford Focus (DD/commuter car) ABOUT TO BECOME TARGET PRACTICE!
2005 GMC 2500HD Ext. Cab Longbed (Towrig for the blazer)
2006 Kaufman 20ft steel deck car hauler (The only way the Blazer sees the road)
1967 F-100 Longbed (project truck) For sale $1200 http://www.fordification.com/galleries/ ... ?album=710
http://www.fordification.com/galleries/ ... ?album=726
1990 Blazer (offroad toy) 7 in. lift, 37 in goodyear MTR's
2000 Ford Focus (DD/commuter car) ABOUT TO BECOME TARGET PRACTICE!
2005 GMC 2500HD Ext. Cab Longbed (Towrig for the blazer)
2006 Kaufman 20ft steel deck car hauler (The only way the Blazer sees the road)
- MadMaxetc
- Blue Oval Fanatic
- Posts: 850
- Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:48 pm
- Location: Kansas, Wichita
- Contact:
The paint not sticking to the flux core welds it due to not removing all the slag.
The flux is actualy in the center of the wire, so when you melt it during welding it it pops or creates bubbles in the weld. This will create a weeker weld. This can be OK as long as you know.
I got a Hobart 140 at TSC. It is a great welder. I would not get your gas there, I would find a local supply co. that will loan you the cylinder.
My setup way $400 I think. I have used the little welders, lets just say you get what you pay for. They are crap and should be avoided.
The flux is actualy in the center of the wire, so when you melt it during welding it it pops or creates bubbles in the weld. This will create a weeker weld. This can be OK as long as you know.
I got a Hobart 140 at TSC. It is a great welder. I would not get your gas there, I would find a local supply co. that will loan you the cylinder.
My setup way $400 I think. I have used the little welders, lets just say you get what you pay for. They are crap and should be avoided.
Dan
Project: '63 F-100 LWB / 460 / C6 / 2x4 / Work In Progress!
Daily Driver: '67 F-250 Converted to F-100 LWB / 300 / T-5 / 9" 3.70:1 / 235/75R15 Tires
1/4 mile in 17.64s @ 75mph (it's 4200lbs!!!)
"Work Harder! Millions On Welfare Depend On YOU!!"
FORD Girl
Photobucket Pictures
Project: '63 F-100 LWB / 460 / C6 / 2x4 / Work In Progress!
Daily Driver: '67 F-250 Converted to F-100 LWB / 300 / T-5 / 9" 3.70:1 / 235/75R15 Tires
1/4 mile in 17.64s @ 75mph (it's 4200lbs!!!)
"Work Harder! Millions On Welfare Depend On YOU!!"
FORD Girl
Photobucket Pictures
- flyboy2610
- 100% FORDified!
- Posts: 4901
- Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:42 pm
- Location: Nebraska, Lincoln
re: Welder cover gas or not.
One question: Where are you going to do most of your welding?
If you have a shop or garage, then gas is the way to go.
If you have to do most of your welding outside, then you will need to use flux core wire, as the wind tends to blow the shielding gas away. Then you get porosity (lots of bubbles) in your weld, and it very weak.
Something to think about.
I have a Lincoln welder that can do both. When I use it indoors, I set it up for gas, but when I weld outdoors, I set it up for flux core.
Using shielding gas is my preferred method, but sometimes it just isn't practical.
If you have a shop or garage, then gas is the way to go.
If you have to do most of your welding outside, then you will need to use flux core wire, as the wind tends to blow the shielding gas away. Then you get porosity (lots of bubbles) in your weld, and it very weak.
Something to think about.
I have a Lincoln welder that can do both. When I use it indoors, I set it up for gas, but when I weld outdoors, I set it up for flux core.
Using shielding gas is my preferred method, but sometimes it just isn't practical.
"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy."
Red Green
If you're going to live like there's no hell...............
you'd better be right.
http://theworldasiseeit-flyboy2610.blog ... ee-it.html
Red Green
If you're going to live like there's no hell...............
you'd better be right.
http://theworldasiseeit-flyboy2610.blog ... ee-it.html
-
- New Member
- Posts: 88
- Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:31 pm
- Location: Louisiana
re: Welder cover gas or not.
I would get a gas, has alot better weld. the only thing to avoid is wind or youll get pen holes. I have a gasless works or but its sometimes hard to get a good weld because of a bad ground.
-
- Preferred User
- Posts: 397
- Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:18 pm
- Location: Richmond, Virginia.
re: Welder cover gas or not.
The primary reason for the gas and flux is to keep oxygen away from the weld. Flux melts over the molten puddle to protect it from oxidizing and burning up. CO2 creates an oxygen free shield around the puddle. They both work but the flux wire tends to leave a porous weld. especially with beginners, and spatter more. It also requires far more cleanup to remove the flux scale as was mentioned earlier.
Of course, with gas, you have to buy...gas!
I have a couple machines but my favorite for body stuff is a little Lincoln migger I bought 8 years ago from Lowe's. I know they still sell them but I don't know for how much. It's a tuff little machine and simple to use. 110 volt. It will weld up to 1/4" with a pass on both sides or in one pass if you pre heat with a torch.
Of course, with gas, you have to buy...gas!
I have a couple machines but my favorite for body stuff is a little Lincoln migger I bought 8 years ago from Lowe's. I know they still sell them but I don't know for how much. It's a tuff little machine and simple to use. 110 volt. It will weld up to 1/4" with a pass on both sides or in one pass if you pre heat with a torch.