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So, my daughter was home from college the last two days. Katherine (Katherine is my wife) asked me to drive her car (a late 90's Volvo S90) and listen for a noise. Now, I've driven it before and we knew the front rotors were warped because it shook a bit, but the pads were good. Anyway, I go for a drive, it is shaking so bad you can barely hang on to the wheel when you apply the brakes and the tires (a set of Dunlop Qualifier GT's) are on their last leg.

It is a bit of a time crunch and no one has front rotors and pads for a Volvo in stock in town, yeah I could have saved a ton of money if I had time to order them from Pelican/DriveWerks but no, so off to the Volvo dealer I go while Katherine calls around for the best price on a set of tires that don't suck. (again, no time to order from Tire Rack).

Volvo dealer get the Pads, Rotors, Shims for pads, and headlight wiper blades (just try getting those any where but the dealer). Get them all, were in stock and the prices were reasonable as Volvo parts from a dealer go. All are clearly labeled with country of origin.

<rant on>
Rotors - CHINA. For the love of god, VOLVO is manufacturing rotors in CHINA? At least ship the raw forgings to Europe and machine and paint enough there to label them somewhere in the western world.
Pads - INDIA. :hmm: They make brake pads in India? India makes the best brake pads? What will we do for software support?
Shim - Great Brittan. O.K. Maybe they fit a Rover too... :evil:
Headlight wipers - South Africa. O.K. Do they have rubber trees there?

What the heck ever happened to the days when you bought a Volvo part and it was made in Sweden, or a BMW part and it was made in Germany, or a Ford part made in the USA, long gone I know.
</rant off>

For the record, before the hate mail starts, I've got nothing against Chinese, Indians, Brits, or South Africans, I'm just a little sick of finding made in China on everything, that and the whole bad milk and lead based toy paint thing.

Now all of the parts do look good, so off I go to install the brakes which goes uneventfully, excepting that the new caliper bracket bolts included with the rotors are no where near the right size, so I clean the originals up and replace them with new thread locking compound.

On to the tires, basically it is Uniroyal's or Michelin's at about a hundred a piece for the Uniroyal's and perilously close to a hundred and a half for the Michelin's. They are at the same place and a review of the ratings on tire rack reveal that the Uniroyal's probably do not fall into the "do not suck" category. I've already lined up my dealer friends for the install. The place has a road hazard warranty, lifetime balance, and so forth for a nominal fee though and that might have some value, how bad can they mess up a tire install right?

<rant on>
Pretty dang bad as it turns out. First of all I explain the whole "new brakes - three bills" deal and tell them per Volvo the wheel bolt torque is 63ft lbs. They nod and say O.K.. So I watch. They mount the tires, paying no attention to any reference marks... I can't see them balance but it I did see the balancer and it isn't one of the newer ones. They lay the wheels out and a guy bangs then on with an impact (no torque stick) :x . Then a guy comes along with a large preset torque wrench and checks to make sure they are tight. They are tight, probably about 850 foot lbs from the way knucklehead was hammering. I figure I'll just loosen them up and re-torque in the parking lot. It is pouring rain though and I figure as long as I don't heat them up it is only a few miles to the house. So on the few miles home it is shaking pretty bad about 45 mph. I look it over and check the pressures (all way off) and notice there are 3 different kinds of weights on it, none of which is correct, and the right front has a 1.25 oz on it with a 1.5 oz almost exactly 180 degrees from it (hmm, maybe a .25 oz would have been appropriate). I just take it over to my friends at the dealer and they do it right checking road force and turning them as needed for best match. The Michelin's do have a bit of run out though. (I'm almost afraid to look where they are made.)
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I guess I've got to buy a tire changer too. :pout:
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Dude, I just about put the PS3 back on the shelf, yep all of it's made in China...

Don't get me started because the consumers in this world only care about price, not quality so you get what you get or you go without...

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The problem is a bit deeper than that. Of course a good price is a major advantage. But we need to look at why we can't make a good price product here in the US. We have taxed and regulated industry out of existence.

FWIW when I have my 760 these were the two best Volvo parts suppliers I discovered:

http://www.vlvworld.com/

http://www.ipdusa.com/
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DuckRyder, I share you're feelings on the made everywhere else but here rant. I just ordered a heater motor and blower wheels for a 93 Kenworth. No aftermarket but straight from the K Dubya dealer. All made in China. I overhauled a C15 Cat a couple weeks back. Over half of the parts were made in China.

:rant: Please don't get me started on the things that pass for mechanics or technicians or what ever they call themselves these days. We have a couple guys in the dealer that can barely read. There are still a lot of highly skilled folks out there who pride themselves in turning out first class work and keeping customers happy. There are also a lot of idiots who couldn't troubleshoot a flat let alone fix it.

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i would have shot out that door in seconds if i seen an impact coming near my front wheels and new rotors.
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I never ever trust any tire shop.
I tell them how i want things and it is still never done how i ask. Last time I got tires changed over I asked for my tires to be aired at 40 i think it was, and they were at 55, and the max PSI of the tire weas 50.
Lug nuts are a must to check. I prefer to take my wheels in another truck, and i put them on myself. Possibly saving a bit of money too, depending on the shop.
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I feel ya. Just put new flywheel,clutch, and slave cylinder in my truck, all made in china.
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1971ford wrote:I never ever trust any tire shop.
There is a local outfit I've been dealing with for decades. They will get any tire I want and will do as I ask. I have them mount and balance but I install them myself.
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Robert,

Agreed 100% man. First thing I ask is country of origin. Image

And TOF is right too,
We have taxed and regulated industry out of existence.
I'd own my own business if it weren't for that!

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TOF, yes taxes for American companies sting, but no import tarriffs is just plain stupid. Over on the PracticalMachinist.Com forum the small machine shop company owners really explain it pretty well. The jist of it is lots of political back scratching by the companies keep the tarriffs gone so the companies make more money.

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I agree 110% :thup:, on everything stated. I am 14 years old and still take pride in buying something American made, just as my grandpa would tell me to. At least I know that buying something made in America was put together by a man/woman supporting a family back at home rather than a Chinese kid that thinks $.05 a week is good money. And tire-shops really don't seem to care about requests, there is only one tire shop we can trust right up the road from our house, my dad grew up with AC the owner and we tell him what we need and he takes care of it for us, probably one of our favorite shops out there. Then you go to dealerships with 20 year olds that can't find out how to pop the hood on an older truck :o.
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Caseys71 wrote: Then you go to dealerships with 20 year olds that can't find out how to pop the hood on an older truck :o.
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And if it can't be diagnosed with a computer and new parts thrown at it to fix it, NO WAY do they know what to do!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

When I became a technician (many years ago!! :doh: ), we had to be able to diagnose ANYTHING with a tach/dwell/volt/ohmmeter, a timing light, a test light, and KNOWLEDGE, and then BE ABLE TO FIX IT OR REBUILD IT !!! Most of the time, I can walk up to anything from a Briggs & Stratton to a Cat D10 dozer and tell what's wrong with it!!!

I bought an '02 Ram 1500 in late '01that stayed in the shop 51 days during the first year I owned it. D/C replaced it with an '03 Ram 1500 Quad Cab Hemi that wore out 4 complete sets of brakes in 20K miles. I gave them a list of things to check, but D/C engineers and the warranty dept said they couldn't spend that much time. I finally got to meet with the factory rep, and he told me that, "...it's out of that part of the warranty, so we're not going to do anything. It's your problem." My lawyer and I disagreed with him, and I ended up getting a nice fat check from D/C and they got a POS Ram.
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fordman wrote:i would have shot out that door in seconds if i seen an impact coming near my front wheels and new rotors.
Locked... :cry:
1971ford wrote:I prefer to take my wheels in another truck, and i put them on myself.
Usually I do, again time was a factor.

I normally have everything I can't do done at the dealer where I used to work, They take really good care of me even though there are only a few of the people I used to work with still there.
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Indonesia?
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Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???

That's not an oil leak :nono: That's SWEAT from all that HORSEPOWER!! :thup:
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70_F100 wrote:Indonesia?
Nope, remember I said you would never believe it... :wink:
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