CA.?? prop.23

[eggman918]

How will Prop.23 affect smog exempt cars/trucks??
Steve.

[OldRedFord]

If that had passed would that have over turned the rules I had heard about having to re-power heavy duty diesel trucks every so often or buy new to meet emissions standards as time goes on?

Hopefully smog exempt vehicles stay smog exempt.

[FLASH 1]

This is what I have been hearing that All Diesel Trucks regardless of size have to meet 2011 polution standards or will be heavy fined and not allowed in the state,, I have seen some companies selling off equipment to replace new equipment yo meet Calif. laws,, Some selling business so not to operate business in Calif.,, Also rates for products coming into Calif. are way much higgher.. I know one of the main reasons for upgrading our rollback is due to new 2011 Calif. laws cause our 2006 would most likely not pass. A lot of reasons look at new trucks being sold in the Big Truck line are having up to 10,000.00 dollars of pollution junk on them and have to add the horse piss.. Also Cat no longer involved for awhile now in Engines on Diesel Trucks since could not meet pollution laws.. At least on my 2008 do not have to add the horse u know what but if you look at the muffler plenty of wires going to it.. Like I said just what we have been hearing for past 6 months....

[Oren09]

Ugh. I'm glad I live in a state where your car can blow smoke everywhere and its legal.
Diesels should be about raw torque and black smoke.
All this emissions crap does is choke the engine making it burn more gas.

[TexasTruck72]

Ugh. I'm glad I live in a state where your car can blow smoke everywhere and its legal.
Diesels should be about raw torque and black smoke.
All this emissions crap does is choke the engine making it burn more gas.

Agreed. I don't care how much smoke my truck emits or anyone else's for that matter.

[Ranchero50]

Sorry, but you guys obviously haven't been behind some jackmonkey that just smoked out the merge lane at the interstate or smoked out a dangerous curve on a rainy night. Kind of funny how modern injected diesel power boxes have dials for 'smoke' and 'performance'.

Jamie

[flyboy71]

You and I both know how much truck traffic flows up and down I-81 It can be worse up here where it meets the turnpike.

[Ranchero50]

Only time I ever called 911 was a blue first gen smoking out the I81N-I70E merge lanes one morning running into the rising sun. The state boys (three of them and a DOT Suburban) were waiting for him at the Rt65 exit (state police barracks) about four miles away.

Jamie

[OldRedFord]

I think if your "rollin coal" going down the road your probably doing more harm to your engine then good. Wasting $$$$ and fuel doing that anyway.

But if your at a truck pull or on the drag strip then by all means. Show off a little. :

Ugh. I'm glad I live in a state where your car can blow smoke everywhere and its legal.
Diesels should be about raw torque and black smoke.
All this emissions crap does is choke the engine making it burn more gas.

Go check out a new Ford diesel. Sure I dont like the emissions crap any more then the next guy, but 400 hp and 800 lb ft of torque in stock form is plenty I think.

[FLASH 1]

Heres what our Ford Diesel Mechanic says about the 6.7, see him after the first year to see what problems have arose +++ the F-350 and 450's do not have same horsepower ratings he said the 450's are cut back a 100hp,,, sure they run quiet look impressive it should with a lot of pollution junk on it and for the price,, we priced a F-450 to relpace are old one starting at 50,000 to 68,000 mostly due to the high expense of the pollution junk then have to add horse piss that you have to buy extra from Ford or some of the major truck stops do sell it as well,, And if you try to cut it short will shut the truck down

[Oren09]

Go check out a new Ford diesel. Sure I dont like the emissions crap any more then the next guy, but 400 hp and 800 lb ft of torque in stock form is plenty I think.

Is that 400 horses at the rear wheels with all emissions crap operational?

[rjewkes]

sounds like on the diesel, regardless of size or age your not exempt with this prop. and of course if they can get gas engine guys whipped up to think they will lose thier exemption too, then they'll word it so as to make every one wishing to keep exemptions to vote it down.

[DuckRyder]

Perhaps it would help if some one outlined the respective rules, in my quick search it looks to me like

Prop 23 (which failed) is (or would have been) a good thing

AB 32 (which Prop 23 would have suspended) is the problem...

[flyboy71]

Perhaps it would help if some one outlined the respective rules, in my quick search it looks to me like

Prop 23 (which failed) is (or would have been) a good thing

AB 32 (which Prop 23 would have suspended) is the problem...

The skinny on Prop 23 http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.p ... _23_(2010)

And AB32 http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.p ... _32_(2006)

Happy reading!

[dustman_stx]

Go check out a new Ford diesel. Sure I dont like the emissions crap any more then the next guy, but 400 hp and 800 lb ft of torque in stock form is plenty I think.

Is that 400 horses at the rear wheels with all emissions crap operational?

That's what I'd put my money on. And I don't know about the 6.7, but I've had some experience with the 6.0 and the 7.3. With 3.55 gears in a 3/4 ton, my mothers 7.3 will get 22 mpg on the highway. We've had some running 4.10's get 17-18 on the highway. My cousin had a 6.0 in a 3/4 ton- it was 4x4, though- that only got 12-13 mpg. Good buddy of mine had a 6.0 in a 1 ton 2wd that would only get around 10. Pretty much across the board, I've never heard of any 6.0 coming close to the fuel mileage of a 7.3. Every 6.0 I know of has been a nightmare for the owner. Seems like the more you try to quieten down and clean up a diesel, the less dependable and fuel efficient they are. I would also like to point out that, even though the emissions from the truck itself may be less with a 6.0 than a 7.3, you need to consider what emissions are involved in the production and delivery of the ~25% more fuel they require.