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Great day of working on the truck

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Today was one of those few days I get where the gal was at work, the baby went to the sitter, and I was off and had the whole day to do nothing but work on the truck. It was great! I set out to fix leaks but got a lot more done. I disassembled my ps pump and sealed it all back up, hooked up my oil pressure gauge since the pump was out of the way, swapped out my steering box for one with no slop (she was beginning to wander like a gypsy), replaced the front pinion seal, replced the t-case output seal, put a new gasket on the rear diff cover, and still managed to hook up the rest of my triple gauge set and wire it for lights. It felt great to get all that stuff done and have no real time constraint to do it! That used to be what my weekends were always like but not so much anymore.

The only bad part is that now I know what my oil pressure is. :roll: It's hard to believe since it still runs fine, but once she's warmed up there is 0 psi at idle. Running down the road it only gets up to about 15. I guess 43 years is a good run for a 360 in a 5400 lb truck, but it seems to be at the tail end of it's usable life. It's a good thing I've been getting back into my 300 build! This just adds some extra fuel to the "get it done" fire.
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Re: Great day of working on the truck

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Sounds like a great day. If my wife is at work it usually means I have all the kids so I get nothing done. I work, she is off, she works then I am off. (4 kids) 3 are 5 and under so busy busy busy....!!
I need to get me one of those sitter things. Sitter for 3 little kids 5 and younger = big $$$$$$ They grow up fast though so my day will come when I will have tons of free time, hopefully. lol.

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Man, I feel your pain. I can't imagine having 4 rug rats. Don't get me wrong, I love my little girl more than anything, but any more and I might go nuts. :lol:
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If it's not rattling, you have enough oil pressure. I am kinda shocked it does not make some noise at cold start up.
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Nope, it may give me a tiny bit of rattle but nothing bad. I've noticed some noise at idle but I thought it was header ping. It may very well be the internals beginning to rattle around, kinda like there's a couple of marbles rolling around in there. She's well worn for sure, but doesn't use a drop of oil except the tiny bit that leaks out.
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good ole 360's -if the lifters all start clattering whenever you're idling with the engine up to temp,then its time to start thinking about replacing it ...or just add some more engine honey to the crankcase and turn up the radio-
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I'm a firm believer now that the 360 is the only engine in the world this can ran like this! :yes:
Joe, I too had put the gauge in my truck only to find zero pressure, (usually after warmed up / idle engine speed). I tried really hard to limit driving the bump right after I found this, (but it was still my daily back then) and wound up putting another one to two thousand on it before I changed to my "little 302".
There are a lot more on here who have done the same! I think Hawk or Barry or someone with a lot more engine knowledge could tell us why...
That's a lot of leaks though! Glad you were able to have the time to get them stopped. :thup:
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Yeah, it was leaking like crazy. After sitting for about a week the ps pump oozed about a pizza pan sized puddle, plus it had grapefruit sized spots under the rear end , t-case, and front end, so it was time to quit procrastinating and get it done. As for the oil pressure, I'm not too terribly worried, just because it sounds and runs the same as it has since I got it. It probably has had zero psi at hot idle for four years now! In fact, that is probably why I have a lifter that starts to tick at idle when it's 100* out and it's been running awhile.
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Actually...lots of engines will run fine with very little oil pressure. The tale of needing 60 pound of oil pressure on a low compression engine that hardly sees 4000 rpm is a bit kooky.

The rule of thumb for old racers was 10 psi for every 1000 rpm. Except, that gets a bit blown out of the water when guys at NASCAR will purposely lower the oil pressure to 30 psi to reduce drag and run the thing at 260 degrees at 9000 rpm.

Higher pressure makes people feel comfortable.
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the 6.9 in my f250 reads nearly nill most of the time and has for over 100k mi so far
- still got my first first car 20+yrs later : 69 f100 sorta kinda pretending its a Mercury M100 w/a 70 f350 sport custom cab (factory buckets) 67 grille with 69 ranger cooneyes 68 merc box and hood,some supercool fiberglass fenders i scored way back when, 76 f150 disc brake frontend..currently running a 90 5.0HO 4bbl/c4 auto & 3.50 posi...originally a 360/c6 f100 Ranger with dealer added towpack (incl. kelsey hays trailer brake),boxside toolbox,behind the seat stowage & belly tank...only original parts left on 'er are the frame,rear end,rear springs,and rear bumper...
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I'm not too worried about it. The only thing that gets me is when it's idleing and the needle creeps down to zero. I'd like at least 2psi or something at idle. Maybe some thicker oil would do it to it. I put 10w30 in it for the winter but I probably should have left the 15w40 Rotella in there.

The roads are already slathered with salt around here, so she won't get driven much for the winter anyways.
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You do have a couple pounds, your gauge just is not picking it up.
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So your saying that my twenty dollar gauge set isn't one hundred percent accurate? I find that hard to believe... :lol:
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I know, I should of had you sit down before breaking that to you.
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In the late 90's the 352 in my 67 continued to work with about 4psi at idle, 30psi max cold at higher engine speeds. The bearings were coming apart, it burned/blew by oil, leaked it like crazy and a quart a day was the normal usage. It ran like that for a couple of years right up until the day I pulled it out. Burning out the clutch finally motivated me to pull it have have it rebuilt. The resiliance of these motors always amazes me.
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