MadMaxetcs '67 Driver Project

[MadMaxetc]

great progress Dan. is the frot disc setup still available from your daily or old daily driver?

Yes, I need to get that truck out of here soon. It is a 73 F-100. The brakes only have about 6k miles on them. Make me an offer.

Awright a Six! Is it a clifford intake you put on and whats that carb? It looks like your going to have the sweet setup with the six - pwr steering, 4-spd trannie, and what distributor did you use.
Good job.

The intake is an Offy-C. I have a 600cfm Holley, it is way to much. I am going to put a 500 edelbrock on there soon. The T-5 is a 5 speed so I will have an OD (0.68:1). The Dizzy is a stock DSII unit form a 79.

I am realy stoked about the setup as well!

[dablack00]

Looks good. Can you even put it in the "bottom of the patern" gears w/ the seat there. I'm going to be putting a T5 in my crew cab, but I'm going to have bucket seats, so I might not even mess with a custom shift location converstion. I think you and I both looked into it and Modern Driveline will do it for $400, but that is a lot of money. With bucket seats, it will be cool to have the shifter right there by my right knee instead of 1/2 to the dash. I'm really eager to see how you like the 300 w/ the T5. I also want to know what kind of MPG you get w/ it. The first thing we need to do when you get this thing running, is to see if you speedometer is reading correctly so you can give us good MPG reports. If this works out, I see a bunch of guys putting T5's behind there 300s, 302s, and 390s. NOTE: The adapter Dan is using to put a T5 behind a 300 is the same spacer that can be used to put a T5 behind a 360/390. It basically makes it where you can put a T5 on any ford that had a four speed, as long as you use the original four speed bell. This makes the T5 conversion easier because you don't have to mess w/ a cable or hydralic clutch setup. Just use the factory 67-72 stuff and you are all set.

Dan,
Great progress and nice work.

Austin

[71 LONG BED]

Is the bell housing the same in bumpsides as the late models 'Stangs? In other words, will a T5 bolt directly to my '71 302?

[dablack00]

The T5 bell (used in 84ish to 95 mustangs) is not the same as the early four speed bells. To convert any classic 302 to a T5, you first have to pick which bell you want to use. You can use the original four speed bell, clutch, flywheel, etc, but then you need an adapter. You can also use the modern T5 bell, but then you will have to convert your clutch linkage to work w/ the new bell.

On my 68 cougar, I am using the modern parts. I've got a 1985 "roller" 302 in my cougar so I'm going to use a T5 bell, and modern cable clutch setup. I've already converted to a clutch pedal setup that has been modified to use a clutch cable.

On my crew cab I'm going to go the other way. I don't want a clutch cable in my crew, so I'm going to use the original bell and clutch linkage. To use a T5 behind the original parts, I will have to use an adapter like what Dan is doing. Converting over to a cable wouldn't be hard (if you can weld), but it isn't a beaten path (yet) and I don't feel like inventing the wheel on this one. On my cougar, lots of mustang guys are using modern clutch cables, so it is off the shelf parts.

[MadMaxetc]

The T5 bell (used in 84ish to 95 mustangs) is not the same as the early four speed bells. To convert any classic 302 to a T5, you first have to pick which bell you want to use
...
On my cougar, lots of mustang guys are using modern clutch cables, so it is off the shelf parts.

Yep.

The 300 has a larger flywheel and clutch that does not allow the use of a 302 bell.

[dablack00]

Hey Dan,

I know the 300 has a neutral ballance and has a bigger flywheel and all that, but doesn't the 300 block have the same bell bolt pattern as other small block fords? IF it doesn't couldn't you take a 84ish to 95 mustang bell, flywheel and clutch, have the flywheel rebalanced to be neutral (zero ballance instead of 50oz ballance) and use all mustang parts? I'm not sure. Is that possible. Then of course you would have to rig up a clutch mechanism to work w/ the mustang bell, so using the 300 bell would be easier, but it would be possible to use the mustang bell right? It would bolt to the 300, right?

Now, I'm thinking I might want to use mustang parts and rig up a cable to match my cougar. Who knows. I still might go 302. I CAN'T DECIDE! The 302 has the V8 sound that I like and will last 200k miles if kept right. The 300 is different that what everyone else has, leaves tons of room under the hood, has a little better torque at lower RPMs, and will also last 200k miles or more.

I'm just going to have to wait for your report.

[MadMaxetc]

Hey Dan,...I'm just going to have to wait for your report.

Wohhhhh Man...slow down and breath...

I know the 300 has a neutral ballance and has a bigger flywheel and all that, but doesn't the 300 block have the same bell bolt pattern as other small block fords? IF it doesn't couldn't you take a 84ish to 95 mustang bell, flywheel and clutch, have the flywheel rebalanced to be neutral (zero ballance instead of 50oz ballance) and use all mustang parts? I'm not sure. Is that possible.

Yes, you can do all that but...
You would have to rig up the Clutch cable...(not hard at all)
You would have to move the starter closer to the block...Huston we have a problem...There is not much room between the starter and the block. You might have to grind a little on the block. I looked at it and didn't want to go there.

The 300 is different that what everyone else has, leaves tons of room under the hood, has a little better torque at lower RPMs, and will also last 200k miles or more.

This is one of the reasons I did this combo.

This 300 I have had 244k on its first rebuild before I did this last rebuild 10k ago. The guy I got the truck from said that he got it from an old farmer that had been using it to run a piviot irigation well for the last 10 years. I tell you, these things a indestructable!!

[dablack00]

Hey Dan,

I knew there was something else about using the T5 bell on the 300. It puts the starter too close to the block. Got it. Would a mini starter help? If I do go with a 300, I have an extra t5 bell, so I will mock it up before I try. I'm still leaning toward having matching drivetrains in my cougar and crewcab so I'm leaning toward the 302, but I look forward to your MPG report w/ the 300. The great thing about the 300 is you could gear it to hit 1700 rpm w/ the overdrive and it would have the torque to keep the truck moving. What rear gears are you going with? 3.0 to 3.5? A 3.5 rear gear will give you about 2100 rpm at 70 mph w/ overdrive. A 3.0 gear would give you 1800 at 70 mph. With the deep 1st gear of the T5, either gear would feel pretty good.

Austin

[MadMaxetc]

I am going with 3.70:1. Because thats what I had sitting around.

Time to go back out there and finish it up!

[dablack00]

With a 26" tall tire, a 3.70 rear gear will give you 3350 RPMs at 70 MPH w/ NO overdrive. With the overdrive it drops the RPMs to 2350.

Very nice.

[MadMaxetc]

With a 26" tall tire, a 3.70 rear gear will give you 3350 RPMs at 70 MPH w/ NO overdrive. With the overdrive it drops the RPMs to 2350.

Very nice.

(did you mean 29" ?)

I think it should work quite well!

[MadMaxetc]

I will try to get an update up some time this weekend.

I had to neglect the Family for a bit to get it this far so I am going to have to neglect you guys for a bit now.

ttyl

[wt4speed#2]

Hey we'll get over it . But you've gotta look those family members in the eye bro. Good work post up when you can

[dablack00]

No, I was using a 26" tire. When you change it to a 29" tire then the RPMs at 70mph w/ overdrive (.67) drops to 2100 rpm. That should be about perfect. Any lower and you would be lugging the engine, especially w/ that four barrel.

[MadMaxetc]

No, I was using a 26" tire. When you change it to a 29" tire then the RPMs at 70mph w/ overdrive (.67) drops to 2100 rpm. That should be about perfect. Any lower and you would be lugging the engine, especially w/ that four barrel.

Thats what I thought too.

Working on a write up...(work is a little slow)